Talk:Mivorari Novae Research Ship

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• Scalar Wave Damper
• Soil Reformer

Lord Lancelot 15:22, 2 November 2006 (CET)

My Homepage is the source of the Mivorari. But I wonder if the ship need the last two devices or not. It depense on the Star Boiler. The effect of the Star Boiler on the stars and planets. If the race is to weak without them I add them, but it can be a weaker device. Something like the Solor have.
--Mivorari 19:56, 2 November 2006 (CET)

I like the idea of Scalar Wave Damper, to messup Crystal planet, but maybe put it on a more costly hull, like Mivorari Phase Starbase.

I really don't think the need a cheap ship with Soil Reformer, since they can make any planets in their farm range. But you could put this on the Mivorari White Star Dreadnought, this ship cost so much, it could never be abused, it will do a small increase when this ship is not used for war (parked at a friendly base).

Lord Lancelot 02:12, 3 November 2006 (CET)

To the Phase Starbase? That's only a support base. What about the Quasar Battleship? Is as expensive as the Phase starbase and then both devices are late available.
I agree with a Soil Reformer added to the Dreadnought. But only if I add one to the race. So i will replace the devices today.
--Mivorari 19:40, 3 November 2006 (CET)

Yes the Scalar Wave Damper, could be on the Quasar Battleship instead. It could also be a special version, like the Solarian have (can not reduce the base delta frequency below 0, so the crystal trick of -300 base freq becoming +100 (with 37 ships with this device) will not work.

Lord Lancelot 02:09, 4 November 2006 (CET)

I think the best is to make both devices special.
The Soil Reformer only improves the soil 2 point per turn with a max of 120. Change all stars to the right one will have some profit (?) so there is no need for having a Soil Reformer who change the Soil to 250. Mivorari Action will be change all stars
The Scalar Wave Damper is almost the same as the one of the Solor, but can reduces the HD stress of the planet with 4 points.
--Mivorari 13:33, 4 November 2006 (CET)

Mivorari White Star Dreadnought with a cost from 67 935 MC (up to 97 935 MC if jump point generator)
IMO There no need to lessen the power of the soil reformer.
they will not be many of this ship around, I think they maybe games, without even a single one.
Lord Lancelot 13:41, 4 November 2006 (CET)

I don't know yet, how fast the Mivorari can have there high tech levels in a normal game. Say starting with 1,000,000 cols and 20,000 mcs at the HW. I also wonder if they need to start with a Cepheïde Transport Gate. But if there are games without the White Star Dreadnought the Soil Reformer can be the standard one. One or two Dreadnoughts will be great ;)
--Mivorari 16:54, 4 November 2006 (CET)

They need to start with their Cepheïde Transport Gate at their HW, and at least one ship with the portable gate device, The way I understand the dial gate device, it will alllow ship in orbit of a base with a Cepheïde Transport Gate, to use it transport to send *things* to another base with a Cepheïde Transport Gate or a ship with a portable gate device.

So to be able to colonize properly they need both at start, because they won't be able to build new base gate soon, and won't be able to build new ship with portable gate soon, so they need both at start, maybe even more than 1 ship with portable gate, I think 2 should be ok.

Lord Lancelot 23:19, 4 November 2006 (CET)

There are only 2 ships with a Portable Gate Device. The Phase Starbase and the Population Coloniser. The Phase Starbase at the start will be to much. So 1 or 2 Population Colonisers at the start will be great. Most 3th party races have 3 till 6 ships at te start, so the Mivorari need at least 3 or 4 ships at the start. I think about these 4:

• 1pc Zenith Scout
• 1pc Recoil Frigate
• 2pc Population Coloniser's (with Soleum H1000)
  

You are right about the Cepheïde Transport Gate and the Portable Gate Device. That's how it works and it cost a lot of time to get a base on an other planet without them.
The Mivorari Race need to be evaluate before I send it back to Tim. On the other side I must test it with a race pack before it must be released. Some beta test like the IMT.
--Mivorari 16:09, 5 November 2006 (CET)

I would change the Recoil Frigate for a Mivorari Flame Star Cruiser (for some early defense with his grav mine layer).
The Mivorari starting fleet is week (milirary) witch is fine since most race are like that, but they normally have some defense abilities. I will be happy to help testing this race, when a race pack is available.

Lord Lancelot 16:27, 5 November 2006 (CET)

The Zodiac Destroyer has also a mine lay device, and is level 2. But level 2 ships can easy and fast be build.
I hope we can test the race very quickly. But without Tims help, I don't know to create a race pack. And I don't when he releases Vgap Gold.
--Mivorari 18:18, 5 November 2006 (CET)

I meant defense vs HYP race, and Mivorari seem to be master of HYP, make sense the can defend vs early HYP as well.
Maybe you could ask Tim to build a beta racepack for you, with only the tim devices, this could be used in diplomat to make VCR and test the strenght of mivorari ships / fighter in combar.
Lord Lancelot 19:16, 5 November 2006 (CET)

Against a Hyper race. Thats good. As I said the Zodiac can be easy and fast build, because it is a level 2 ship.
I will ask Tim if it's possible to release a gamma/beta race pack for the Mivorari so we can test his combat strength/weakness. So that there is no need for add Mivorari devices to the host.
--Mivorari 00:05, 6 November 2006 (CET)